The Holy Bible Is Not One Sided Or is it of One View Point
57The Prince of This Our World
Every Work of Man's Hands Is as a Filthy Rag Unto God
Do You Believe Genesis Chapter One and Two are true or that they contradict each other? If So Why? Or Do You Believe that Chapter One Is A Poem?
Do Not Take Offensive to the truth of a matter. We are here to seek and we are to Understand. The Good Book is Still Holy. It still Contains the truth. But not all of It's text are true, Or are they from God only or alone.
Yes God is very capable of getting this truth unto you, IF an ONLY IF your are ready to Receive IT, And truly desire IT! And fully with all your Heart and Soul as well as your mind and body.
Tis no easy task of receiving wisdom. Knowledge is another subject. One can be very Knowledgeable and still not possess God's Wisdom and/or His Truth. At least unto the Complete story and/or stories that are held within in the GOOD BOOK.
God (Jesus) alone is the Head of our church. We are all parts unto the church, because it is a many membered Body. The Time is short and there is a need for full disclosure of the Gospel Truths of the Good Book and to Its Stories held within its texts. I do not possess enough of it. For it is not given to me to to know all things. But what I have not yet received some other has!
Do not let your right hand know what the other is doing. Why Do you think this is? Does not your right hand know what it is, that the other does? Do you not have eyes that see? The case and point of the matter at hand? There is a dispute that IS and It has been since before we were made flesh. To not be aware of these things, makes one lack in the truths of the Good Book.
This is a question I posed just a few hours ago and I see it is already sparking those who do not know either way. That what I am stating is a fact and of the truth. I did not come to this on my own, or so I do not believe that I have, but it is a Gift from/or of the Holy Spirit or the "Comforter." So I already Know debate and confusion is all about the statements that I have so boldly stated.
Do you believe Genesis Chapter One and Two are true? Or that they contradict each other? If So Why? Or Do You Believe that Chapter One Is A Poem? As some state and teach.
Genesis Chapter two is about the reformation of the fallen 1/3 of Heaven, that was and this was the Garden of Eden, And is now Paradise. Earth was Void and without form. This is Not correct for God spoke all of the World into existence in one moment the very first time.
So earth became Void or It was caused to become void. More than likely because of the Fall of the Fallen Angels. Because they had to retreat from Heaven or they were cast from Heaven by the other 2/3 of Heaven. There was a War in Heaven this we know. For we are to still be fighting It here in and on our Earth. Why is so little of this revealed of in the Good Book? And why is so little of it Taught?
Do you think GOD would leave this information Out of a book or letter that He was writing unto Us? GOD came unto us as a MAN and Not as a GOD, but as a MAN. Only He came as one knowing and one that possessing the truth of the nature of GOD the Father. And the truth of the Father and Creator of ALL things seen and UN seen.
Why People do you think you hear so little of the Devil or Satan? In this warning from OUR Father? Be not ignorant, of where you are, and who's Rule that you are under. And never forget that you have been given Authority over him and them. Be Not afraid of this Ruler who pretends to be a God either!
When one finds truth, it rings through out their very being and core. It sings, "Yes you have received some truth." Now continue on and keep seeking more of It. There has been some Questions going around here at Hub pages and elsewhere on the Inter-net about "Faith". Here lately people are desiring True information, and they desire to know what is Faith? And how do you know that you have it?
Well how do you know anything? You Feel it! What Faith is, is a Belief with Feelings, either you know or you do not! And if you don't feel it. You do not have true faith or I should correctly say mature Faith. For Faith is as a seed,( A Mustard Seed) it grows and it becomes something that you will see and feel. And even be able to use. As did the Apostles, as shown to them by Jesus the Christ and Saviour of the WORLD. The Complete world. Take notice of the word WORLD and see how subtle the devil is Word Wor (L) d Lucifer, Liar, Satan, Destroyer.
People really have a hard time understanding GOD and His supreme super natural powers. In fact. None not even those in Heaven fully understand the awesomeness of these Powers. They are infinitesimally infinite. For a lack of a better understanding. He is our UN-Known.
There has been debate for many, many years now. Over these two chapters alone, let alone the rest of the Good Book and the Scriptures. People, well most of those within the religious sects have very little understanding of who has written and re-written the scriptures, in the first place.
And who it is that has been there right in the midst of their scribing, these Books and Scriptures. As well as every time they were mass produce to be given to this OUR world and those who were to lead it. Here in a prison of Fallen Angels. Who are more subtle than ourselves. We have let them take control of our facilities. Where we were once given the Authority over them, they now have it over many places and over many of us.
Spiritual bodies or Angelic bodies do not die! So they were not destroyed in the flood. Until GOD forgets them. NONE of them has die as of yet. Not even the ONE that It is promised too.
Thus The Heaven(s) and the Earth Were Finished
We know GOD knows correct ordering. If we do not! Why and what for do we trust in His truth?
God so plainly states Earth singular and Heavens plural. Why is this? For several reasons I think. Because I know of the Earth that was and the Heaven that was. And as they were not yet, Fractured or Broken up unto these three parts 3/3= 1. Then 1/3 of Heaven fell. That leaves 2/3 and there was damage no doubt to all three parts of GOD's Heaven.
Well we know the Fallen had to go somewhere other then the Heaven that was. So where did they go? Or where was it they were cast to? We know that this Earth that was before the Fall was whole because there is evidence to it here, within our fossil records. God never states that this world is only a certain age, because before Time there was No Aging.
Many things Became new or different from the former Heaven and Earth that was Spoken into existence where Time did not exist. With this Fall of the Fallen. The wrath of GOD I never do see it, for I know that a loving GOD such as OUR GOD has no need of it. He has Never showed it before, during, or after the Fall. While establishing "The Correcting Format" please forgive my crude manner of stating the case that is before us all.
Some will say to me then who destroyed the earth? And what about all the text of the story, or all that which is in the Holy Bible, and than to the texts of the Holy Scriptures? I say what of It. Just because it is scribed does not make IT So! There are those who do teach and have taught all of what they can gleam from these texts. And as it is written. And as it is portrayed, by the men of this world. All of who still even when saved or inspired, fall under the ruling body here on this earth everywhere! The Powers and Principalities which is mention time and time again.
And that of course, is this (the very one,) that JESUS came and defeated while in the flesh. Death, Satan, Lucifer, The Destroyer and Many many Names he is and was and still answers too. Jesus came as we now are in the flesh to show us the way while we are still in these flesh bodies. AND still till today so few have found and followed in the foot steps of Jesus. Because of the Legal document they have come to Idolize and worship.
Believe me I have fought with these claims before myself, I would Die defending the HOLY Bible as it was and as it still is today as it is an object of this our world and it to is under his rule. But I know Satan has locked himself into a document that he can not back out of now.
And I know all things are possible with GOD. And with HIM nothing is impossible. And the truth that is hidden within us, It flows as we learn GOD's True Nature. And when we learn the truth of how to discern, GOD's Nature the truth of the GOOD BOOK Shines as a bright light.
IF you are not seeing It! Get down on your knees and ask to receive it from your Father. Our GOD in Heaven the Creator of all Things seen and UN seen. Seek ye the truth from He who is the truth. If you knock the door shall be open wide. But remember It takes Time to build a relationship of any Kind even with GOD it will take some time. How much time is up to you. It has always been up to you to start and maintain this relationship.
God created Eden from the fallen 1/3 of Heaven that did fall, it still Is a place. It is not here on this earth and it never was. It is guarded by a Cherubim with a Flaming sword of truth. This Keeps Satan from the Gates of the other 2/3 of Heaven. this keeps him and the fallen who did not except the correction of Our Father. Man can not get there, but he came from there. But Man has also fallen from the grace of God and has fallen into a world of Lies and Sin. We are all under the spirit of Correction for we would not yield to IT, when it was called upon us to do so.
So we have all fallen short of the Grace of God while we were in Heaven or while we were in the reformed Heaven that fell. Which is the Garden Eden or the now Paradise. They are one in the same place. Earth=1/3, Eden=1/3, and the Heaven that did not Fall =1/3, 3/3= 1
What is it that God saw to be very Good on the sixth Day? The book says all that he had made. Again this is after the fact of the very first verse of the book of Genesis. In the Beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth(Period). Both singular! Not Broken and Not Void.
Step One. Everything that was, was then.
Step Two. (The Fall) Heaven is now broken and the Earth is destroyed by spoiled evil little brats, because they couldn't have their way in Heaven.
Step Three. (God repairs and restores all that was.) He sets up an order for to correct the problem and has been created by the Fall. And Now He is overseeing It and has been, ever since the Fall.
What was and is Eden? Well simply put it is Paradise and what is it now Paradise? All that have pass from this Earth. They are awaiting in Paradise, for they are reserved unto the final Judgment.
Again when the Sixth trump and the sixth seal and the sixth vial are happening Both Paradise and the 1/3 of Heaven that did not Fall are locked. No one in or out. Satan is cast back onto our earth where his children are and have been since the first births of Cain and Able. But be Not misguided the sixth day Creations are those that fell and those that did accept the Correction that was then offered. And Cain and Abel were born here on this our earth. And on the same day making them twins and not years apart as some do teach.
Thank you for your time and the read. All comments welcome.
Donnie/ Sinbad the Sailor Man
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Hi Sinbad, Your post is somewhat fragmented with opinions probably extracted from an array of reading, but stick to one book, the Bible. Then while you’re reading you’ll get your sequences in order, instead of scattered haphazardly where they make little or no sense.
Genesis chapter one is an account of the creative days—days one through six, and chapter one ends with God creating the seventh day still in existence because on it he has been resting from all of his works.
All of the creative days took thousands of years, not as you state in a moment. That’s absurd; discovery channel last night mentioned a universe 13 ½ billion years old. In genesis a day can mean various things.
In Genesis chapter two interestingly God labels it. He sums up the entire six creative days as one day but billions of years in length—notice—this is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven. (Genesis 2:4)
I voted it up, and rated it useful, because there’s potential. Regards: jrryjghn
lone77star I do suffer from learning disabilities and some physical ones. I know this is not an excuse. I should get these hubs up after I correct them, But they will not let me rest until they are posted. The feeling that comes upon me to write is not always an easy thing to ignore. And so I do it when it presses me to do so.
When I first came to the Lord I was full on and ready to serve the Church I was with at that point in time. This became an Oh no you wont from Our Father. I now see this, but then I could not see these life changing events that set me on a new course or the path that I am now on. And I have only just come to know things about two years ago.
Don't get me wrong I have never stopped seeking since the age of about 12 1/2 I am now 48 years of age, still young by many peoples standards. There is No doubt in my mind that we are the fallen Angels or sons of GOD.
Everyone here is Guilty of falling and the Blood line as well is guilty. Able was the last Innocent soul of the Blood line who would not have fallen under the Authority of either Adam or Satan.
I agree Being Humble is a step to coming to the Lord Our God. But Being Humble with the World of Lies is not. We are the Salt of this WOR(L)D and we are to season it with Truth.
And not the traditions of Man influenced by Satan. The Second Chapter is telling us of the re-established Heaven that fell And Of Adam the one who was to take Lucifer's place in bring Instruction unto those who fell. Or who refused the Gift of the Mercy Seat
This earth was never with out flesh bodies after the sixth Day. Why did it Take Six Days? Well Time Begun as soon as God Establish a course of Correction or a way to be forgiven. It is clear to me the beginning and the ending of this our story The part that is being rewriting is the middle or the How we will finish when the end of the story becomes a reality as the prophecies have been fulfilled as the story proceeds unto the end which is the Judgment. And this is only to see whom You shall Follow.
Repentance is the Key it is plain for me to see it is why the Fallen fell they chose to no longer do so. And here we are today still decided whether or not to do so. Thanks for the read and the comments.
Donnie/ Sinbad the Sailor Man
It is funny that yo would say this, as I have read many a book and I have mostly listened to others, more so then reading their books or their opinions of others. Which has all revealed some truth to me, not that they were trying to reveal it.
I have been at odds with the Holy Bible ever since I was asked to leave the Church where I was Baptized. I was given a message that they would not hear, about Judas the one who betrayed Christ. And I have often Judged teachers and preachers by it since then. When I say judge I am meaning testing and then discerning their knowledge of Our God and His Nature.
Needless to say this is why I am now a NON denominational Christ Man today. I do Use A King James Version of the Good Book But to be fair I use all books and all testimonials that are made available to me. But Once I have discerned them. I no longer need to review them. But the very Holy Bible that has set me in such a tizzy, it is still here at my side every day.
Although it is broken and torn and the outer covering that Held the Title of the HOLY BIBLE is gone. It is now once again Holy to me in parts and in sections as I don't not believe every word to be the Gospel truth. And I can Live with Taking the good and Leaving the Bad or confusion out of it. As I now know why it is in there.
Although I understand the reasoning behind the age of the Earth as some claim to know. I know that they are mistaken. We set limits upon ourself so that we can live by a set of standards. That never existed before. And we call these limits and rules truth and when we find out they are not true. We then change the limits, rules, and standards to meet our new found truths.
This is because we live in a world of lies. When God spoke everything into existence there was no time. So it was One Day all at once there was no limits,then not on any one, but there always was instruction or correction why? For there is only One Perfect Being Who is Our Father and Creator GOD.
When fixing something that some other has totally annihilated or destroyed or takes place. It takes longer to repair if even possible to do so then it did to create it in the first place. And too, because of their refusal to repent from that which they did knowingly. Time was given to change their minds before their removal permanently.
The correction was established which caused the effects of TIME which never was before. The Heaven singular and the earth singular were made in the beginning of the WORLD GOD's WORLD a perfect world. The Fall created a need for the repairing of the WORLD that was and did become broken and this was done so to cause a separation from GOD. Which is all in all a bad thing. Or Hell.
The truth that I have received, it was not my truth years ago it is the new truth that I currently possess or that I now believe, but the search is never over until it is over. We must always seek the truth for there is many who seek to keep it from us. Thanks for the read and the comments.
Donnie/ Sinbad the Sailor Man
Reading many a books, and listening to others can be detrimental to your spiritual health, because there are many apostates out there with an aim to lead you astray. Do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world. (1 John 4:1)
Where’s your standard to do the testing? First I avoid all apostate literature, not even accepting it, then I trust the only source true source:
All Scripture being inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
Next you could have a Bible study, and then you will be the man of who is fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. Your writings will be full of references we can check so that we can be “noble minded, carefully examining the scriptures daily to see whether what you say/write are so. It will make sense so that instead of rambling, it will pick a theme stick to that theme, through, and like treads you write you will emphasize that theme.
Have a Bible study. In just a few moments you can learn the answer to:
·What is God’s purpose for the earth?
·Why do we grow old and die?
·Why doe God permit suffering?
·Who is Jesus Christ?
Best regards, I like your attitude. jrryjghn
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One Book Or one verse does Not a Bible make. I have read many Bibles of the Christian faith and some are slightly different, where Others or even down right weird. And I have Lived both a very sinful life, and a Forgiven cleansing Path.
But You Can never stop looking for the truth! It is all about you. It is in your every day Life. Where Satan does not want you looking for It. I have already been where many are coming from and heading too.
I do not envy their choices today! They (their Choices)are getting fewer and slimmer and even slimier. As the end times approach. There will be less and less truth as It gets closer and closer. Many Shall be deceived.
I don't not hold every verse and complete Chapter as a gospel truth. Until I have proved it or tested It. I am coming to the Knowledge of Proper discernment. So I am taking less and less risk in the testing of the truth.
To not do so would, even In my (eyes) negate the parables that Our Lord and Savior taught. The world we live in is a Lie unto it self. We are brought up in lies, and trained unto many of them and we must discern our way out of the lies.
Some can't discern their way out of a wet paper Bag, (I could not at one point in time) let alone the case hardened Cell Satan has created for us All.
Their are many Rabbit Holes everywhere in life and in every written Word of Scripture as well. Why do I say this? It is Because I know who rules Here in this our world. If you even have one inkling of doubt even after being saved. And If you are not diligent and every present with the Comforter of the Holy Spirit he can get to you and use you to do his will here and now.
Try and receive that message anywhere else, but in a life lesson. Churches seldom stress the need to stay ever present with GOD'S Holy Spirit. They Like to teach Once saved always saved which leads many down the certain path of Destruction and failure in the Flesh.
If you do not discern the truth of the Good Book and work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling you will most likely be deceived. I have mention "Blind Faith" in my comments and writes. I had it for over thirty plus years. I will never have it again! It (Blind Faith) is like the earth and Heavens That are today, they shall all pass away.
Mature Faith must be felt to be true and of age. You must exercise It Daily. For it needs to grow Strong. Studying the Bible and Bible Studies Are most effective when you discuss your opinions and let them stand on their own merit. For GOD is a personal GOD who speaks to every one who will hear Him.
We all sooner or later arrive at the same destination for where ever two are gathered in His Name He Is there As well. Because Some other or your Church says This is This and That is That it is not yet so, until you have proved and tested It for your self! For We all must come to the Seat of Judgment alone and answer.
IF we have not Christ we are Guilty No if's, an's, or But's about IT! We are all guilty without Christ the Lord Jesus Emmanuel which is to say GOD with Us
I have done many a test. I have even push the envelopes on occasion. I do not suggest doing this, but, some times it must be done. GOD does want you to Test Him at first, but not after you come to the truth!
I have been ridden hard and put away wet. Till the point of breaking. God uses whom every He will to complete the Correction. God loves Broken People He Loves All of His Children and His desire is that NONE shall Perish. They these Broken People become very loyal subjects. For they quite often owe their very lives unto HIM and Know this to be their case.
Many believe Blindly for a very long Time. I did not! I had to come to my Faith The Hard Way. My Way and No others way.
What is God’s purpose for the earth?
This Earth Is A holding Cell for those who Started the Need for the Correction. It is also Our Cool down period to seek the truth of the matter set before Us Which is Only to Choose whom you shall Follow!
We Have, but Two Choices. Life Or Death! GOD or Satan! But Satan has Conceived Us we Have A third. Which Is Man's Point of view and take on the Story. Which is often to disregard Both of the other two choices. Which Means you Have chosen Wrongly!
·Why do we grow old and die?
We Grow Old for It as a sign Of the Urgency! The choice Must be Made! Everything on our Earth Grows and dies. Everything under the lies of Satan will die forever. GOD is straight and to the point. He never Makes you Guess. Satan on the other Hand does this always!
Satan IS and Has been since Time began for Us all Here! Where he is "the top Dog", the Smartest, the strongest, the Fastest, the Wisest creature, Here. Even when he is here in spirit only! For he instruct those who still retain their Spirit Bodies or their GOD Given bodies here with us now today.
He was also One of "the Top Dogs" in Heaven before their Fall, as well he maintains his God Given Body. Where Is the Teaching on him(Satan). He who is GOD's Adversary, The Destroyer, The Father of All Lies, The First Murder, etc, etc. It's Hard to Find teachers Who will Teach about him. For he doesn't much care for the truth of his story to be told in these end times.
·Why does God permit suffering?
He does this for we all asked for it! We all once asked to be with A Cherubim of Light. Who once taught and instructed Us all who are here. But GOD will also take it your suffering away IF you are true to HIM.
And always if you can Stay close at all times to HIM. You shall then have No Fear of what this life Brings for you at the seat of your Judgment.
For you know the truth of the Correction and the Limit to Satan's Powers over your Soul. It to also brings you to the point of seeking HIM out your suffrage It is all on you How hard and long that you will suffer.
·Who is Jesus Christ?
Jesus is Many Things and ALL in ALL One Thing! HE is GOD in the Flesh! He Is Our Saviour! He Is Our Guiding Light! He IS the Way!etc, etc He IS the template that we all shall model our selves too. IF we wish to Receive eternal life ever Lasting with GOD as Our Father.
He is also A son of Man and GOD almighty Himself. Be not deceived in this One thing! There is only one way For to get to GOD! For GOD Himself Set IT!
You are a Human being which is only a Spirit Body wearing a coat of FLESH and liken to this Flesh Suit, as a Prison Suit for you are to Be Judged! But always remember you Have been Bonded Out and None Can Find you Guilty anymore Save yourself!
I like your attitude also www.lookseenow. I am not always as gentle as a lamb anymore for I have now become a ram.
Thanks for the comments and may God guide you, lead you, and strengthen you and yours. Peace Brother in Christ, I wish you peace as you continually Seek Our Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ.
Donnie/ Sinbad the Sailor Man
Interesting read. For more information, check out books written by the early church fathers. Also, there are several secular books written by nonbelievers, Jewish scholars, and others. Don't forget, there is also tradition. Check out the one true church: the Roman Catholic Church. May God continue to bless you on this journey.
EMWynnwritessews2, Although I have Immediate family within both the Whore Church and her daughters. Of the Whore Church. Who have broken away from their mother. I do not liken the Catholic Church as the One true Church of God.
In fact I believe She is the one Satan gave his power too. For he is Now Held behind the throne of God. In Heaven awaiting the Sixth trump, the Sixth Seal, and the Sixth Vial. So he may return and finish what he was suppose to do in the first place. And what it is he has now cause to take place here with us all.
For I know she will be the beast that the Great Whore the Mysterious Babylon Rides upon. Further still I do not liken any Church of today! To be the True Church of GOD. For I know she has not yet come of age.
I do not drink of the blood of the Saints there fore I am not drunken by them. Nor do I believe the Miracles that she has testified too. Which do deceive the whole World here upon our Earth. Or do I worship Idols or do I Stray from the True Sabbath Days, which the prime is Saturday.
It was never Sunday. Or did Any Church have a right to make it so. Even the Lord God Himself Makes their Notoriety to be in Question. By the very ones that claim to Prove God. Its priest. If they were truly of God they would be protected By God. Instead of their Church which Holds a government world wide.
But, I also Know that every Day is Now my Sabbath day. Forever since Christ has come. Every day! I now know is One Day and One Day Only, that is held within Me. I do not mean to be Mean or unfeeling as to others beliefs. They just are no longer Mine.
I can not revert unto falseness for I now hold to a new truth which I believe solely to be the truth as of this Day.
I seek not Mans traditions or Mans truth! I seek only from my Father which is in Heaven. I seek Information and teachings from the Comforter, whom Jesus promised to send. His very spirit. I do thank you, for your read and comments. There is much revealed about many of todays Churches.
And If you are a Mormon, or a Jehovah Witness or Any of the Churches today claiming that Jesus is not, No other then GOD Himself! You Hold No truth and are working for the Devil. And if your church Hunts Souls and Damns them to Hell Fire for eternity.
Shame Shall you Bring upon you and yours. If your Church preaches Anything, But Love From Our Father God Almighty. You are a Blasphemer and shall Suffer the consequences that you Judge others By!
Beware the Devil and his children are everywhere.
Do you Know Who it is that you Serve? Learn the True Nature of your Father! Be Not Deceived. The Time is at Hand! Nigh it is at your Door.
You are living in the end times be it today, tomorrow, or One hundred thousand years from Now! For the whole populace.
The Story and the Good Book, make it Clear as to who, "The Healed Beast" Is. It is the Holy Roman Church and She is a City and a Government unto herself.
There is only one world wide Church as of today and She is surrounded by seven mountains. Both Physical and economical. God is not the GOD of Confusion or is He the GOD of the Dead.
Donnie/ Sinbad the Sailor Man
Hi Sinbad here’s an adjunct for your comment What Is God’s Purpose for the Earth?
God’s purpose for the earth is Jehovah wants the earth to be filled with happy, healthy people. His purpose started when God planted a garden in Eden” he “made to grow . . . every tree desirable to one’s sight and good for food.” After God created the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, He put them in that lovely home and told them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it.” (Genesis 1:28; 2:8, 9, 15) So it was God’s purpose that humans have children, extend the boundaries of that garden home earth wide, and take care of the animals.
Since things went awry there in Eden, do you think that Jehovah God’s purpose for people to live in an earthly paradise will ever be realized? Yes, what God purposes he will surely do! He says that he “did not create the earth simply for nothing” but “formed it even to be inhabited.” (Isaiah 45:18) What kind of people did God want to live on the earth? And for how long did he want them to live here? The Bible answers: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.
Enter the origin of an enemy.
An opposer of God showed up in the Garden of Eden. He is described as “the serpent.” That title is threaded throughout the Bible until the last book of the Bible where it identifies as “the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth.” He is also called “the original serpent.” (Genesis 3:1; Revelation 12:9)
Since all of Jehovah’s creations are perfect, however, who made this “Devil,” this “Satan”? Put simply, one of the powerful spirit sons of God turned himself into the Devil. He made himself an opposer
Since free will is a gift from God a person today who was once decent and honest may become a thief. How does that happen? He uses his gift of free will to make that decision. Once honest a man of integrity, but now he lets a wrong desire to develop in his heart. If he keeps thinking about it, he will turn himself into a criminal if the opportunity presents itself, he may act upon the bad desire.
This happened in the case of Satan the Devil. He apparently heard God tell Adam and Eve to have children and to fill the earth with their offspring. (Genesis 1:27, 28) Why, all these humans could worship me rather than God! I can be their god Satan evidently thought. So a wrong desire built up in his heart.
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I have from an early age flourished with some unforeseen knowledge that even My elders did not and would not submit to hear, test and prove. I make no claims to their validity. I just claim their truth for they are true for me. When I read the very verses you would have me read they do not make a case in point for your argumentative view or the truth that you currently hold to be true.
The Good Book has a verse within that states not to cast your pearls before swine or something to that nature. But then again the gospels, we are to make known. So I do not often quote scripture any more, instead I tell the story for to me the story is clearer and unbroken.
In such a way that it is not this is this and that is that, but rather It becomes a personal view point to the hearer of the story. For God is a very personally GOD.
So Here I go again. To take a verse out and number them as to make them a Legal contract is Not How the Good Book was designed to be read.
This is a device that Satan has come to pass and he Knows this document now better then any other, save GOD. Discernment and truth come from reading the BIBLE and Not dissecting the Bible.
We know that the Reveal of the truth is for only those who seek it. If one doesn't read it and then meditate upon it and ask of the author the meanings of It, they shall never understand It.
Some read well what the Document states. But who designed the document? And than further still who is it that is influencing your opinion of It?
We are lead a Stray when we do not work out Our Own SALVATION with Fear and Trembling. We must read the Book for ourselves as a book. And not as a legal document! It is Not for to hold you to a certain truth, but It is the Truth within It that shall set you Free.
Genesis 1:27 So GOD created man in HIS (own) Image. (Period)
(And) in the image of God (god) created (he him) Lucifer now Satan (;) male and female created (he) GOD them. Genesis 1:26 And GOD said, Let us (LET) US (make) [to chose who to chose] (man) in (our image) [what Image GOD's Heaven or Satan's Hell], after our likeness: and let them have dominion of the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, {and over all the earth}, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
This leaves Satan to have very little to have dominion over! The Let is stressed (LET) which is a command and not a suggestion. The two who set this our Earth up Our GOD and god of it Satan.
Jesus calls him a Prince of Darkness for he has shot away from the LIGHT. For there is Only ONE Prefect In Heaven.
We were never Made Prefect Not even in Heaven. We where awesomely and wondrously made or created. Not to be prefect this is why there is a seat of Forgiveness.
There has always been the mercy seat for there is only ONE that is Prefect in every way. There is only ONE GOD. Earth Was GOD"S Most favorite Place when among His children. It IS and Was HIS Throne Alone! IT shall be His alone when ever He decides the Lesson is Over or the correction.
You will never come to what I have come too, By reading a Legal Document! But you Will if you read the Book and ask of IT's Author and Not of its co-author or ghost writer.
Take out the numbering system it is of the devil and never was it designed of by GOD. Let those with Eyes to see, See Let those with Ears to hear, Hear these to ARE Commandments to SATAN as GOD has Set up the correction and the Lesson Plan.
For Lucifer was an instructor of learning a Cherubim of Light. You May think I am the GOOF BALL or NUT BAG in your heart, but I fear that you are the one being deceived.
Sit at My Right side till I make all the [WORLD] Your FOOT STOOL We are all nestled upon GOD's Throne. It is the center of the Universe as we Know It.
Seek and ye shall find, Knock and it shall be opened Wide! Talk to your Father GOD in Heaven and do so Through His Only Begotten Son OUR LORD and Savior Jesus the Christ Emmanuel which is the say GOD with US.
JESUS is GOD as well as THE HOLY SPIRIT the Comforter. Amen
Thanks for the bantering it is good. For none of the scripture is for any Privet interpretation. Get to Know your GOD's Nature and you will not be led to go a stray.
I don’t mean to quote verses to win arguments; I’m not making comments to win arguments. The first book of the Bible tells of an opposer of God who showed up in the Garden of Eden. He is described as the serpent, but he was not a mere a snake, he just used that animal as a front to deceive Eve. Adam, notice was not present.
This serpent, snake, or person is real, he shows up again, and again thorough out until the last book of the Bible where his front is exposed. He can no longer hide behind a front he is indicted as the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth. He is also called the original serpent, the one called Devil, and Satan. (Genesis 3:1; Revelation 12:9)
I am not quoting these Bible verses; I am just showing them as gems. If I throw them to swine they would not appreciate it because they are looking for food, and the pearls resemble peas, a delicacy that they feed on. When they find they re not edible, or in your case argumentive then they react with anger. If that happens I’d better jump out of the pen or they will rip me open.
Someone has said:
“Since all of Jehovah’s creations are perfect, who made the Devil?”
The Answer he did it to himself. Yes he was a spirit son of God, and yes he did live with God in heaven until he was ousted. What happened then, and did God create Satan? To put it simply this Son of God turned himself into the Devil. He’s like a person who was once decent and honest may become a thief, liar, and murderer. How does that happen? Well it happened to this Devil. Satan allowed wrong desire to develop in his heart. He kept thinking about it, until that wrong desire became very strong. Then there in Eden the opportunity presented itself. He acted upon the bad desire that he has been thinking about. (James 1:13-15)
Please never take what I say Personally. I am not one who judges to others and their beliefs. For I believe we all must come Home to the Father on our own terms. This is why I repeat often the words and thoughts of those who have written the scriptures.
We all Must work out Our own Salvation with fear and Trembling we can never blame another for our choices never. This is Free will.
Satan was a Child of GOD we all are, for He created All! We were not designed to be as GOD Perfect! For there can only be such a ONE. We were all once in Heaven along with Satan all of us. Accept for Adam and then EVE who are One flesh or one soul divided.
God did this for a reason which I believe was to teach Satan about what had happened to him. It is only Satan's failure to repent that keeps him from being forgiven and restored.
After GOD came to Satan's Fallen Place as Jesus which I believe too, to be God's very own Throne our Earth, also a teaching for Satan.
It is GOD alone. Not his Kingdom or his throne, His mercy seat or any thing that another Soul can posses of GOD's that gives the power of God, to Be GOD. Satan knew this very well as did we all.
To not read the book as a Book, but to dissect it and Say this means this and that means that when there for it is taken out of context and from another section of the Bible or a different chapter and a different book is legal mumble jumbo. Satan has cause this to pass. As he has cause much to pass here for our confusions and necessary busy business.
The Ordering of events become much clearer when we read a book and not a legal Document. The events are much easier to identify when we stick to the chapters and verses which are not in proper sequence or chronological order at times.
Yes Satan has caused his own down fall and sentencing for he knew and knows better to have done what he is still doing and then to hold to it even to the point of Killing the Father as the Son and his Saviour, Satan is now condemned to die or simply to be forgotten by GOD for this is what true death is.
Not that you forget GOD, but that GOD forgets You! And God has made a way or path for us that believe upon His only Begotten Son.
Not created and this to is to say GOD for there is Only one who is not created, but has always been GOD.
Satan has been gone to far gone for to long and has not the ability to truthfully repent this is why he is sentence to perish or to be forgotten by GOD.
Adam Never was until after the Fall not before the fall. Adam was created to call Satan back to repentance. Satan would refused time and time again until the last temptations of Jesus the Christ. This I believe is when and why Satan was sent back Home and from off this Earth.
In his full personage or incarnate his complete self! Satan's spirit is still here and with us, his children, and his followers.
An argument is only a difference of opinion on a simple point of view. I have changed my viewing points or points of referencing many times and when needed too. I still will today change these points of viewing. I am atop of the highest hill that I have ever mastered and I see clearly all around myself.
But yet, there are still mountains and higher viewing points I have yet to climb and master before I can see further still. We must never stop seeking until the war is over for this is what it is a war of truths. We need to know the scriptures as they read and not as some have taught them.
For if you teach any improperly the truth. Than you will have created a Liar and you shall be held accountable for your teachings. Never trust anyone not me or any other for you and only you shall Answer! The only question that is of any importance to your eternal life.
Whom shall you Chose and to believe upon, and whom is it that you will follow?
This is all we are to decide and only you yourself can answer these simple questions, that you will decide whether you live or Die! Or if you are remembered or forgotten. To Be or Not to Be!
This is the question, it has always been! Repent and Sin no more which is to say be forgiven there has always been a Mercy Seat a place to come and ask forgiveness when you have trespassed Against the One and only Perfect GOD and His Creations.
Satan refuses to do so even till this day. And he will be returned to us, shortly as he pretends to be Jesus and he will fool the whole world, our world, our Earth. And if Possible the very Elect them selves.
There is No fault with GOD None whatsoever! So Fear the loss of a loving and truthful GOD! Fear Not GOD, but this Loss of GOD this is the beginning of wisdom not the fear of Him, but the fear of losing Him.
For GOD has always and forever loved us ALL! GOD is Pure and Protective LOVE, Unfailing Love, Perfect LOVE!
AND He Has set a course for correction that will take place! Satan can not deviate from it for it is not possible for him to do so or it would have been different, then what it is and IT IS FINISHED!
Hi Sinbad, I’m enjoying this interchange with you each one through the other’s faith both yours and mine. You know so much about Genesis as part of creation, and God’s purpose for the earth.
Satan has always had a place on earth since God appointed him as the anointed cherub that is covering. There as overseer, he happened to be on hand. When God told Adam and Eve to have children and to fill the earth with their offspring. So Adam and Eve were created in God’s image, male and female as he liked what he had created it was very good so he blessed them saying to them:
“Be fruitful, become many, fill the earth and subdue it. Your job from henceforth is to fill the earth and subdue it.” (Genesis 1:27-28)
That’s when Satan’s wrong desire took root:
“Why, all these humans could worship me rather than God!” That wrong desire he did not dismiss, and he never will repent, because there in Eden he planned his work of deception, opposition, slander, and eventually murder. When the wrong desire became strong enough he acted upon it. The opportunity came when he took action to deceive Eve by telling her lies about God.
A front was needed to approach eve, he chose the serpent, because the serpent is described as what will suit his purpose to deceive being the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field. It’s Satan manipulating, but the serpent appears to be speaking:
“Is it really so that God said must not eat from every tree of the garden?” So Eve having information given to her by her husband responded:
“Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat, but with one exception the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘we are not to eat from it, no not even touch it or else we will die.” Now here comes the lying:
“That’s not so! You will positively not die for God knows that as soon as you eat from it your eyes are bound to be opened. Then you will become like God knowing good and bad.”
By using lies and trickery, not repenting from acting upon wrong desires he is not known by his former name, he deserves a new name Devil, which means Slanderer, and he made himself Satan, which means Opposer.
Satan the Devil caused Adam and Eve to disobey God. As a result, they eventually died, as God had said they would if they disobeyed, so “you positively will not die” is the first recorded lie told by Satan, the Devil.
“Because you listened to your wife’s voice,” God said in sentence to Adam, you ate from the tree I told you not to cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. Thorns and thistles it will grow for you as you sweat for crops to make bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:17-19)
We have a disagreement to the order of things www.lookseenow, you wish to believe what you have come to know about the ordering of these events from those you have been taught by or those who you associate with.
I on the other hand believe I got it from the Horses mouth sort of speak, from the spirit of GOD Himself and not man or man's traditions, I know this makes me the loon or the nut bag to some and I have no regard of what others think of my beliefs. For I believe them to be the truth at this present time.
I am not looking to disprove what I already believe, but to prove or disprove what I yet do not believe.
I believe there Was one Heaven and One earth. What this means to me is that before the Fall all was well and all was good. The Heavens were caused to separate into thirds and the earth was wiped clean. This I believe is caused by the Fall of Satan.
Then comes Earth replenished and Eden. Eden is also todays Paradise, the Garden before Mans Fall. Satan and those who Fell are the ones responsible for the original Sin of failure to repent! From what they did to cause the Fall.
I believe that The Sixth day creations of men and women our these that accepted the correction of GOD the Father. After their fall
I believe that ADAM was created on the eighth day. An after the Fall I believe Adam and Eve are one soul as well as One flesh.
I believe there is No innocent peoples after Able was Killed or Murdered by Cain and this is why we all fall short of the glory of God and it is the reasoning behind the Virgin Birth of Christ.
I believe much that todays Average Church member does not. I believe the Bible is still Holy I just do not believe every word or event in it as it reads today to be Holy. I take the Good and Leave the rest until I have proved it one way or the other for myself. Some comes easily and some of it has not yet come or may never come,for me.
I believe there were Many instructors within the Garden depicted as Trees which bore fruit. I do not believe them to be actual earth type trees with fruit.
I believe Jesus was at this time one of those trees apart from the Father who Adam and Eve and all there within the Garden saw and spoke too. So I believe (the Garden of Eden) that it was not of our earth or our planet. But is a Part Of Heaven for GOD walked there as well as did Jesus and Satan who were both in the midst of the Garden.
But indeed that the Garden was a reformed part of Heaven which fell at the Fall 1/3 of 3/3 which after Adam and Eve's fall was turned into Paradise for those who would return to their spiritual bodies before the Judgment and there they await or are reserved there until Judgment day.
I do not any longer believe otherwise as of today for these are now my truths. Gleamed from this field I live in call Earth.
lone77star Level 6 Commenter 9 months ago
Sinbad, interesting subject, but I found it hard to read for the grammatical errors and poor punctuation. At times, it proved very difficult to follow your train of thought.
My understanding of Genesis keeps changing, but Genesis 1 currently seems to be God's "Word," template or blueprint for physical reality. Genesis 2 is merely the perfection of that template -- the giving of persistence to that creation.
Perhaps we are the Fallen Angels (not our Homo sapiens bodies), but the slumbering child of God, within. Awakening that true self is what it's all about. And this can only be achieved with humility, love, responsibility and confidence in the Lord.